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  1. Chris

    Chris Forever and One Staff Member

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    I hear you on the games front, I've been stuck with nothing but Civ 3 on this PC for quite some time. I only recently had to invest in a new laptop, which is what I'm using to play Civ 5, and while it's not exactly a "gaming" computer, it gets the job done and makes Civ 5 look awesome :).

    The downside is that now I'm once again completely broke, and naturally with no money, everything you've had your eye on goes on sale. Isn't that typically how it works? NewEgg has had some great stuff on their new flash sale site, Microsoft had some great sales on games recently, and now Steam is having their Summer Sale, with all sorts of games reduced by quite a bit (right now Civ 5: Brave New World is 33% off, it's very VERY tempting :D). Everything you don't need, but desperately want, right when you can do nothing about it :D

    Chris
     
  2. Entervixen

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    Our computer can't do games very well. With the exception of Torchlight 2 we don't use our computer for gaming, it doesn't like to run them. Doesn't help that the disk drive stopped working, so anything disk based is completely out of the question. Someday I'd like a system that plays Sims 3, we have it and a few expansions but they're all pretty much unplayed. I'd love to play the stuff my husband got from the Good Old Games website, but not even those like to run on our system. *sad face*
     
  3. Duke

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    That's to be expected, but at least it sounds like you got a more powerful laptop than mine. I'm actually in need of a new external hard drive at the moment because one of mine (a 500gb) decided to commit seppuku or whatever it is old drives do, and wow the price of 2 and 3 TB drives is rivaling that of 1 TB drives less than a year ago?? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like the price dropped on those really quick. I'm usually pretty good at catching a drive before it completely goes even though this one never had SMART data that I can remember, so I was able to back up all my stuff as the drive cut off and on at random scaring the crap out of me. So now those files are irritatingly scattered across 2 smaller hard drives and a 64gb flash drive, lol.
     
  4. Chris

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    Even though it's more than I can realistically afford, I had to get a decent one, so I went with the Lenovo P400 Touch (I'm not a big "touch screen" fan, but it matched the specs I was looking for, and was really the only model in my spectrum of trustworthy brands that was within an "affordable" range and had good specs). It's quite nice, and definitely one I'd recommend (though there's a bug that's not quite been fixed involving Windows 8, the internal wireless n adapter [Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2330], and router firmware...that was a fun one to figure out!).

    I just had this exact thing happen to me, except that I was previously using a 10-year old custom desktop with basically no internal storage (a combined 25GB between two drives), so everything was kept on one single 500GB external. I had planned to get a second external for redundant backups, but it never quite materialized. Then the computer decided to go haywire, the external crashed, and I wound up in a huge mess of lost financial data, development tools and anything else you could think of. I haven't been able to retrieve any info from the drive, but I did fix the desktop so it's now stumbling along again. That's what led to me buying the laptop, and along with it 2 x 3TB Seagate Expansion drives, which for now serve as primary storage for my desktop and run redundant backups (drive 1 is primary, drive 2 is backup). They were incredibly affordable, and while they're not exactly high-speed drives, they offer everything I need for the time being. I'd like to get a docking station for my laptop so I can completely retire the desktop and take advantage of my monitor and proper keyboard (I'm a fan of mechanical keyboards, the newer keyboards on laptops and desktops with keys so close together always leave me hitting two or three keys at a time. Ugh...), which would give me plenty of internal and external storage space, with redundant backups. That way I would have copies of everything, so if one drive failed I'm fine. Naturally, with my luck, the day one fails, they'll all fail, but as it stands now, I'm a happy camper :D.

    Chris
     
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    You think a lot like me Chris. I try to keep redundant backups too, but with so much crap I have to store these days it's hard to pull it off without hurting my bank account. As it stands I go by priority and keep my most important information in a minimum of two places: Old pictures (mine plus family and friends who ask for a backup) and personal videos stay on a 320gb Seagate that's seen a fraction of the uptime, use, and abuse of the Hitachi that is crashing, and my pictures also get backed up to a flash drive in case that drive suddenly starts acting up. My old journal files and things like that have dated backups scattered across this computer, a couple flash drives, and the Seagate. I'm so paranoid about losing things like that, a lot of it is data I've been somehow hanging onto for over 10 years. Anyway, I will be getting that 3TB drive I linked to probably as soon as my check comes this week. IMO Western Digital > Seagate > pretty much everything else. I've been screwing with computers for a long time and I've never (knock on wood) had a WD drive catastrophically fail. Not to say they didn't screw up and have to be replaced, but with a little patience I was always able to get the data backed up before it completely fried itself.

    That laptop sounds pretty nice. The one you "need" is never the one you can "afford" when it comes to technology, it seems. One day I'll be looking for another one and will probably go for a touchscreen as well. Actually to be honest (I'm a little ashamed) I was pretty impressed with the Microsoft Surface Pro. Sure it's no match for a gaming rig or most laptops that are already out there speed-wise, but as far as tablet technology I think it's a big step forward in making "regular computers" a thing of the past. I already have a tablet (32gb HP Touchpad running Schizoid) but if I could get my hands on a non-ARM based fully functional Windows tablet and a few accessories like a bluetooth keyboard/mouse combo, my laptop would never leave the house again.

    I had to giggle at your comment about a combined storage space of 25gb. Reminds me of the old days, that old stuff was build to last though. Every now and then one of my friends will still bring me a computer that "something is wrong with" and I'm like how does this thing turn on, it should be in the bottom of a lake somewhere lol. I can't say anything though, a few years ago I was running this huge old IBM server in my living room hooked to my TV or sometimes VNC access only with Win 2k (God I'm sure it originally ran NT4 or something), 3 x 9gb hard drives in it, dual Pentium IIs and 256mb of RAM, but I was kind of doing it ironically :p Friggin thing sounded like an airplane taking off... Great conversation piece, but basically useless.
     
  7. Chris

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    I'm definitely with you on redundant backups, it can very quickly spiral out of control if you're not careful! I'm so paranoid about running out of space, bogging down my system's resources to the point that the transfer fails or one of the drives or even the computer itself crashes (yeah, paranoia to the extreme :D), or that the data gets corrupted upon being transferred. I do manually go through and prune my less-than-essential data quite frequently, though, so there's never really an overwhelming amount of data or growth with each transfer. I do need to change a few things in terms of what gets backed up, since I am stupidly transferring files that really don't need to be transferred / backed up in any way, but at this point I'm more relieved that things are actually working at the moment :D.

    I quite like Western Digital drives, but I've always had good luck with Seagate/Maxtor drives (except for this last time when my Maxtor died on me, but that doesn't count...:)), so I tend to stick with them more often than not. WD do make solid products, though, and I've yet to have any serious issues when I use them or when friends use them.

    A lot of people seem to be liking the Surface line right now, which seems to suggest that they're pretty solid. I'm not a real fan of tablets, but I admit that given the opportunity, I'd likely go with the Surface. Now that I'm used to Windows 8 with this laptop, I really like the Metro interface and the way everything is somewhat compartmentalized into its own app. To me, it just feels like a natural extension of Win7, and while everyone's been ranting and raving about the missing Start button (which is still there, if you move your mouse down and the left...it's just not the old start menu that pops up but the Start screen), I quite enjoy the extra functionality of the Metro Start screen. If I were looking at a tablet these days, I'd go for a Windows device just because I like what the Windows OS has to offer right now. I'm still an Android fan for smart phones, but it never seemed to work right on tablets.

    I've got a few friends who still have and sometimes use very old computers (one who even still uses an Apple Mac II [sorry, the Macintosh II, as he's so quick to point out:D]...just for nostalgia, though, not as an actual work station), and while they're basically useless as modern workable computers, they're great for going back and having a look at how things have changed. It can be quite fun! Also I love old IBM machines, they always felt somehow more stable than other products. It's a bit reason why I still trust Lenovo computers, despite the fact that they're not IBMs anymore. I would definitely keep an old IBM servers lying around if it were feasible, so I can't blame you for doing the same :D
     
  8. Duke

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    I'm not very good at pruning data. I'm kind of a pack rat in real life, holding on to things I'll probably never use because I might one day use it, and it carries over into the digital world a bit. I have basically everything I've ever downloaded (images, videos, web pages, music, quotes, installer files, etc) from most of my computers going back to about 2001 and I have no idea why. A lot of that stuff got left behind on my old 3.5" IDE drives and never made it to the external USB ones but it's still around. I'm not so paranoid about "running out" of space (I'm out of space right now pretty much) but I'm extremely paranoid about losing irreplaceable data. When I get this new drive I might finally start doing full system backups. I've set them up using Ghost or True Image and it's easier to manage than I thought, especially with True Image. The only thing that has held me back is, well, situations like this computer: It's got a 450gb hard drive that's almost full not counting the 50gb Linux partition, and most of the important stuff is already backed up so why waste 275gb of space (conservatively, after compression) just because I can? But I have to admit it's extremely useful to have that backup, because then when something bad does happen I don't have to go through the entire process of setting up the system just the way I like it and reinstalling all my programs.

    You know I haven't had a problem out of a Seagate in years that wasn't in a Vista machine, they really aren't bad drives at all. My external that's in the process of failing right now is a Hitachi, it was given to me. The main reason I go with WD when I have a choice is because of the sheer volume of ancient WD drives I've seen still in use, some of which are obviously falling apart from the inside out (flip it over and hear parts clanking around), but still chugging along like nothing is wrong.

    Yeah, I like Windows 8 too. It takes a little getting used to but it's a great idea for touchscreens. And if you really want the old start menu back there are several third party applications that will put it back just like it was, no harm done. But personally why bother? I thought the start screen was a pretty good idea, mainly because it allows a widget-like live display for email, facebook, etc and I think that sort of feature is long overdue. I actually wrote up a pretty substantial rant a while back about how those types of people (who are complaining about all the "change") are holding back new technology and making companies scared to come out with their more advanced stuff. I like Android tablets for the most part, especially ICS and newer. But they do seem a little hollow I guess, after you use them for a while. The Surface Pro I think is a good for being able to run standard Windows applications instead of just the ones in their "app store" that are optimized for ARM platforms like the RT. I hear there's a team working on a WINE-like framework for Android, but I don't think that's going to do so well. Then again I've been wrong before.

    Apple II, nice. I haven't seen one of those in ages, probably since elementary school... Not to start a pissing contest or anything but I have a working Commodore 64 put up at my dad's house. :) I love old things like that. Sadly though my IBM server bit the dust. It stayed in storage a little too long and my best guess is the motherboard absorbed moisture because it didn't look right, last time I tried to fire it up about 4 months ago all the fans and two of the drives turned over but all I got was a black screen, some beeping, and flashing diagnostic lights. I tinkered with it for about 45 minutes but it was no use, and I had to do the humane thing and pull the plug. It's still here though, just put up.
     
  9. Chris

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    I used to be horrible about saving every scrap of data, but since I lost my first external, which literally had everything I'd ever downloaded saved (fortunately, it didn't have my financial data or some of my more important software, because at that point in time, my two internal drives (the 25GB of total storage) was sufficient), I became somewhat less concerned about losing irrelevant data. This time, though, I lost absolutely every scrap of important data, and that one really hurt. I still have both of the downed external drives, but getting the data off of them isn't exactly a high priority, since I'm down to my last option on both drives, and that's sending them in to be retrieved for roughly $1600 each...so...yeah...no rush there! Now I'm far more casual about getting rid of superfluous data, since it's all been acquired in recent times, and most of it is fairly useless.

    I really don't like all of the people that are making a big deal about the Windows 8 "problems," since they're most likely not even Windows 8 users. I admit that it was all of that complaining that had me hesitant to use Windows 8 at first, but since actually giving it a fair shot, I enjoy it. It feels exactly like every other Windows OS, just with a Start screen and some applications. Really pointless to complain about it the way people have. I do agree that people who do that tend to stop progression; however, there are times when it is right for them to speak up about thing, such as the restrictions Microsoft tried to include with the Xbox One. I understand the logic behind those restrictions, but the application was terrible and would likely have killed off their product pretty quickly. In that respect, people were definitely in the right to complain about it, and Microsoft responded by removing those restrictions. With Win8, though, it's pretty stupid things they're complaining about.

    It'd be interesting to see a WINE framework on Android, since I've never really envisioned the Android tablets as being capable of running the sort of programs you would run on a desktop or laptop (or now the Windows tablets). That's a bit pedantic, I suppose, since applications have evolved to become essentially the same as standard programs, but it just strikes me as being an odd thing for Android to have. Linux, definitely, Android...not so much.

    Commodore 64, very nice :). One of the better gaming computers from the era, even better than the Apple II (can't help it, I'm a big game collector, as well, so I always view old computers based on their game library :D). It's pretty impressive to still have a functioning one! Sad news about the server, though :(
     
  10. Duke

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    Ouch, that's expensive data recovery. Is it the drive itself or the control board? I've read a lot about these two drives I was looking at (WD and Seagate, both 3tb) and a lot of people were saying the WD "failed" but apparently the some of the control boards in those drives are a little flaky and aren't that difficult to replace if you find one of the same model. I still went with the WD because it seemed like the Seagates while having less complaints in general, the ones they did have were more catastrophic. Just ordered it a few hours ago and they promise it will be here before the 27th, hooray for free shipping!

    I have more to respond to you with but I'm on my phone and its kind of a pain to do this. Lol
     
  11. Duke

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    Anyway, I hope for the sake of your wallet its something simpler. They say the symptoms were along the lines of the drive spinning up and sounding normal and may show up in the drive manager but it's not accessible. But you've probably checked that or ruled it out though so I don't mean to ask dumb questions, just being optimistic. Apparently tech support isn't too fond of telling people that possibility, and its the weak point of this model/generation of My Books.. For me it was the lesser of two evils, they're all eventually going to fail somehow and I'd prefer the way that let's me get my data back for 20 bucks and a screwdriver rather than not at all, or just get the same drive because I'm crazy enough to try a platter swap :p And I emphasize try.

    I was hesitant to use Windows 8 too, but then I realized I have been hesitant about every new version that's ever been released and that pretty soon it'd be everywhere so I'd better just deal with it. Once I gave it a chance I was actually kind of impressed. I understand your argument about the Xbox One, but some of that was just ridiculous and people were right to complain. Personally I think at this point there should be Windows and then Windows "retro" or something that keeps the look and feel of 7 but has all the same stuff under the hood as the current release to make everyone happy. If Linux can have gnome, kde, lxde, xfce, and mate then why can't Windows have just two distinct flavors if it makes people happy?

    I don't think Android devices will ever reliably run those programs, at least not on current hardware. From what I hear its absolutely horrible and sluggish, but of course its still in its infancy. Of course, cpu architecture is the main setback.

    Finally someone else who appreciates the C64 (or at least knows what it is, haha). It was pretty amazing for its time. Remember GEOS? Almost as good as Win 3.1... And it did have a lot of cool games. One of my favorites was Space Taxi. I like how the manual taught how to program in BASIC. I was never very good at it, but I probably never would have tried VB.Net all those years later if it wasn't for that. Not that I'm good at that either, but its fun to play around with.
     
  12. Chris

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    It's definitely the drive in both cases, completely gone. In so saying, I did have a brief period with the second drive (the Maxtor one that just recently gave out, leading to me picking up the two Seagates) would plug in, boot up properly, and then give me a period of about 35 seconds - 2 minutes of time to pull files off (I got a few off, but not much) before it would crash again. I am somewhat toying with the idea of trying once more, now that it's been a few weeks, to see if the new laptop, with its USB 3.0 ports, might give me some better luck. I'm not even close to sure if the drive will boot (it wouldn't the last time I tried, not even a hint of movement), but it is something I have thought about toying with, if only to get some of the more important files back. Just the same, I'm not too bothered about it at this stage, since I have essentially wound myself down to the final option of sending it in to have the data professionally recovered, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. So, onwards and upwards, as they say...

    Flavours of Windows 8 would be fantastic, or even just officially supported skins, that let you have it one way or the other. That'd be fantastic for everyone, and yeah, they could keep that going for as long as they need to and allow them to roll out the changes they want, without the dissenting voices being so "left out" or otherwise offended by the changes.

    GEOS was a pretty good little OS for an 8-bit, though obviously it had a hard time keeping up with even the MS-DOS shells after a while, and then Windows and MacOS eventually decimated it, but it did provide a lot of great tools that were a lot of fun to tinker with! I actually found a few C64 emulators online that I've thought about tinkering with, just to have a bit of a nostalgia factor. Could be a nice little fun-time project :D
     
  13. Duke

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    Ohh, okay. That's pretty much what my Hitachi is doing. When I first plug up it takes 1-2 minutes of the drive light being on before it will let me access anything (used to be as soon as it spun up) and then if I start copying files to/from it I get about a 5-7 minute window before it mysteriously disconnects without being touched, then 9 times out of 10 reconnect by itself and start the process over again. Luckily I was using Teracopy to grab all my data so it would just resume when the drive did. I found that if I throttled the copy speed down to ~10-15 mb/s with a different copy program I can't seem to remember the name of, it was a lot less likely to disconnect but no clue why.

    True, all it would really take is a skin. The sad truth of the matter is that basic settings and operations haven't really changed since '95 except what the interface looks like, and not even that drastically up until Windows 8 showed up and confused everyone who hasn't even bothered to try it yet, lol. Maybe the real problem is Microsoft made us lazy by keeping the changes so gradual over the years!

    The emulators for C64 aren't bad, but it's just not quite the same as typing on a clunky keyboard and staring blankly at a clock while the ol' 5 1/4 inch disk drive makes the nastiest sound ever... :) I was always impressed by the size and weight of that disk drive too, you could probably stand on the damn thing and not hurt it.
     
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    I read this part and had to laugh. My dad owned one back in the day and I would spend hours playing his copy of Below the Root, which took five minutes to load and made the sound you described, lol.
     
  15. Duke

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    Haha. I never understood why it was so noisy. If a drive these days made those kinds of noises you'd have to promptly throw it out the window or try to spray it with holy water. Never played that game before though. I need to go through all mine and make sure everything still works; I imagine those disks have some sort of shelf life... I was out at my dad's earlier and didn't even think about setting it up.
     
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    It was a fun game. It was based on a book, and according to wikipedia came about to explain something that happened in the book that was somehow never resolved. The bulk of the game takes place in the trees, and you have to go around collecting things like the everburning lantern and talking to certain people to gain spirit point before going underground to save someone. In the course of things you could get kidnapped, and you could kill people too. Though if you killed anyone you lost all your spirit points and could not beat the game. It's also the source of the only recurring nightmare I've ever had, which was caused by hearing my dad say, "My god this game is haunting me!" when I was three, lol. But yeah, it was a pretty awesome game.
     
  17. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    Sounds interesting, might have to try tracking that down some time.
     
  19. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    @Chris

    Have you ever played Galactic Civilizations 2?

    My roommate brought me back a bunch of mid-90's games from a resale store. So I played through Diablo for my first time this week, a few other things not worth mentioning, and then this one I saved for last. It won't install though; it runs almost entirely from the disk and is supposed to only store 2 temp files on the hard drive. But, you know how these old games are, they try to run DOS and then get confused and shut down. All I can think to do is rip the files and try it in dosbox.
    In any case, I went to the website (http://www.galciv2.com) and it turns out they re-released the game in '06 or '07 with some expansions. They also have a free demo, but it was only for ~146 turns so I went through it really quickly. I'll probably throw the $20 at it since it looks like my kind of game.
     
  20. Chris

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    I can't say that I have. I've seen it around quite a bit, but never quite bit on it for whatever reason. Looks interesting, though, I might have to look into it, though!

    Chris
     

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