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The Gates of Horn and Ivory

Two Gates the silent House of Sleep adorn; Of polish'd Iv'ry this, that of transparent Horn:
True Visions thro' transparent Horn arise; Thro' polish'd Iv'ry pass deluding Lies.

  1. Duke

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    Lol, I was talking about the road scraper thing I was messing with, silly :)

    But if I had a real tractor I would get on it. Why? Because I can of course!

    And Congrats on the non dry eyes, luckily mine don't usually get dry but for some reason if I put drops in they feel dry after the initial "I just cried" feeling subsides.
     
  2. Umaeril

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    If it is Visine I think that can end up making your eyes feel dry due to breaking up the oil layer of tears which is needed for lubrication. There are good drops out there that work without using surfactants.
     
  3. Duke

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    It was Visine, that makes sense. You're too damn smart. Lol. Out of curiosity, what kind would you recommend?
     
  4. Duke

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    Apparently this is going to be harder than I thought. It's okay I guess, just going to be tedious. Today I started working on the scraper to get some of the pitting to go away... Its everywhere. This is what it looks like right now, I'm not even done putting it on and I haven't done any sanding yet.

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    The parts that had paint look fine underneath, but for the rest, I'm going to have to change some of the contours of the metal just to make it presentable because there's no way I can make it look like it did before without some sort of miracle. In over my head? Nah, just in for a headache.
     
  5. Crazy Dave Number 23

    Crazy Dave Number 23 Methodless Madness Staff Member

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    Good project. I need something like that to do that doesn't cost money.
     
  6. Duke

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    That's one of the reasons I'm doing it, its relatively cheap. Nothing compared to doing an actual car or something at least... Just need a couple different kinds of sandpaper, wire brush, some basic tools, putty if the rust was bad enough for pitting, primer, paint, and whatever you might need to make replacement parts for bolts or rivets you broke along the way. You can go crazy with the paint but I think I'm going with regular spraypaint at least for the first one. Its nice to have a sandblaster and something resembling a dremel for the sake of time, but not really required.

    Seems like no project is really free. None that I'm interested in at least, unless you count my pathetic attempts to learn VB.net... but there are cheap ones.
     
  7. Duke

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    Ok so this is completely off topic, but I thought someone might want to try it or at least think it's interesting. We'll just call it Allen's Dumb Project(s) Thread. This is something I read about a couple years ago and wanted to try but never did. I got bored last night and decided to make a saltwater electro-etching kit. I went out to Walmart and got a few parts: A toggle switch ($2), a set of test leads (wires w/ alligator clamps, $2), and a 1000 mAh rechargeable Lithium battery for cell phones / mp3 players etc ($5 on clearance). Then I dug up an old plastic case that a screwdriver set came in and went to town. I cut holes in the case for the switch, two plugs on the battery and a slot for wires to come out, and used a type of sealant to "glue" the battery to the base, and then wired it all together. This is the result (*impatiently taps foot at Photobucket*):

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    What the hell am I talking about, you may be asking? Well, if you put nail polish (or paint) on a piece of metal, scratch in a design you want, hook one of the leads to a bare section of metal, and put a piece of cotton / felt / cuetip, something similar (I used a small piece of paper towel and toilet paper because it was handy) in the other clamp dipped in saltwater, and rub it across the scratched off area of paint, you can hear a faint sizzle and it will take metal out and blacken it. This is what it looks like ready to go (note that I ended up not using that particular design because of a problem with the nail polish consistency, should have expected that when I had to draw over it with marker just to see what I was scratching):

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    And this is what the blade looks like after one failed attempt at a middle finger (more nail polish consistency problems) and a quite solid "test" etch. It's actually pretty deep, and only took 5-10 minutes. Turns out it was still a little tacky when I started etching and it peeled up in sections, ruining the finger design.

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    In case anyone wants to try, voltage/amperage isn't incredibly important, but the lower it is the slower and cleaner it is. I've read people recommending 1.5-3v for certain applications, and up to 12+v @50A. Personally I went with the backup cell phone battery partly because of price, it's 5v @ .5-.7A, and partly because with my track record of screwing with electricity it's only a matter of time before I shock myself and I'd rather do that at the lowest amperage feasible. I also tried it with a 9v battery I had laying around and it seemed to work a little faster. I haven't seen much mention of polarity, but I seem to have better luck with the negative connected to the blade and the positive on the cotton... You'll see it turn dark grey/black on the tip and green where the clip touches the cotton.

    As for nail polish, apparently I have to let it dry for a few hours so it won't peel up, I had been waiting about 30-45 minutes and having problems. Someone else suggested scratching the design while it was tacky and then waiting to avoid chipping while you scratch, but I can't vouch yet since I'm still experimenting. Also, do NOT touch the metal of the clamp with cotton directly to the metal you're working on. In any case it can mar the metal you're working on in ways you don't want it to, and with my particular setup it will trip a short sensor in the battery and shut it down until you plug it into a charger twice.

    Anyway, that has been my odd tangent of the day, hope someone enjoyed it. I'll probably post more pictures once I get some of the kinks worked out and have better results. Apparently a lot of people who forge their own blades do this using stencils for their maker's mark, I just wanted it to etch my name, phrases, middle fingers, etc into my things. :)

    Safety: A chemistry note just so it's clear -- Do this in a well ventilated area, and try not to put your face directly over any of it. Nail polish smells horrible and will probably get you high and kill brain cells etc, same with the acetone you'll be using to get it off afterwards, and the etching process itself creates (extremely small) amounts of not so pleasant bi-products -- hydrogen and chlorine gas and a some weak hydrochloric acid if I remember correctly. If you feel funny, take a break. That being said, it IS safe, just don't purposely inhale any of this crap or swab your eyes with the soaked cotton and you'll be fine.
     
  8. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    Whoa, that's awesome! I need to go buy something made of metal. :duke:
     
  9. Duke

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    Thanks Dave. Don't etch anything you actually care about at first, it's pretty much guaranteed that you'll screw up the first few things you do which is why I was using a cheap old junk blade with a broken handle. It's actually my second attempt, the first was a "Swiss army knife" that I figured I'd jump right in on, it has a very faint etch with noise around it where the resist started to peel up, so yeah I kinda screwed that up. lol... Don't really get second chances when you're hand-drawing the design into the resist.

    Edit: Oh, and it doesn't have to be elaborate like that, you can just get the test leads that come with two wires with clamps at each end, hook them to a 9v battery and go for it. I just did all that so the process could be a little more controlled and I could recharge because I have no idea yet how bad this will kill a battery.
     
  10. Duke

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    Well waiting on it to dry all the way before scratching didn't help the peeling so I'm thinking that guy was right, and I'm trying spray paint next. Grr.

    Update: The spray paint SUCKED. Some of it still seemed a little gooey (this is after a few hours of sitting) but worked alright with a little extra effort, some of it just chipped off an area three times as wide as I wanted. Trying the tacky nail polish idea.

    Update 2: Tacky shit looks like the way to go, but it's tough to know when to do it and when not to. Now dabbing the cotton instead of wiping, reduces the peeling and other crap. Polarity fix (below) also seems to help some with the peeling.

    To correct myself about polarity, positive is supposed to connect to the blade, not negative. My brain doesn't work sometimes. That explains why I was just getting a dark mark instead of an etch the last couple times I tried. Thought I wasn't getting a good connection.
     
  11. Duke

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    Just finished the first one I'm somewhat happy about. I still can't really draw for shit, but it was a valiant effort. I didn't really know what to make at first, so this one has a Discordian theme...

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    Translates to "I believe it because it is absurd." I like Latin for some reason. I wish my writing was better and more consistent, but it's kind of hard to do with a needle anyway. I used reverse polarity after the initial etch to darken it up a bit.
     
  12. Pokemonmaster250

    Pokemonmaster250 I don't need a map of my dreams.

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    Looks fun, and the drawing isn't that bad... :)

    Dunno if i'd be confident in trying the etching myself, but working with electricity at any rate is sure fun to do!
     
  13. Umaeril

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    Wow Allen, I kept meaning to read this thread. You are so energetic, I must say. Doing all manner of chemistry experiments and so forth. :lol I should make a thread here for my projects, or maybe one in Metro for projects in general.
     
  14. Duke

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    Its not that bad just don't start with something that matters :) and thank you.

    Uma I wouldn't call myself energetic this stuff just happens when I get bored lol. I like the idea of a project thread.

    Here's my latest product of boredom (this is my problem, I can't seem to stick with one thing and get good at it)

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    I cold forged it at first then heated it to soften it up a bit, put on the finishing touches like filing and drilling then heated it up red hot and quenched in water to harden it. It holds a nice edge but its probably kind of brittle because I didn't temper it. I'm working on a larger one now I'll post pics if I ever finish it :p
     
  15. Pokemonmaster250

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    That's pretty cool Duke, would be nice to see the next one.. :)
     
  16. Umaeril

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    I made a projects thread. Just we are all not around a lot.
     
  17. Entervixen

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    I've been lurking in this hear thread and I gotta say, I admire your skills. The stuff you're working on is way cool. :)
     
  18. Duke

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    Thanks guys :) i'll definitely post some more when I have time to get something done... I'm still playing with the larger blade, its a pain because it has to be red hot to work on it, I found some 1/2 inch (I think) steel rod to play around with. my friend even built a forge at his house for me to play around with because he liked the idea but we are still figuring out proper air flow and such.

    Uma I'm going to check out your thread as soon as I get to a computer, my phone is being a pain right now without wifi.
     
  19. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    A forge? Awesome!
     
  20. Duke

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    Yeah well it's still not complete and I don't think he's had time or energy to do anything with it since he started a new job. It was a good idea though, hopefully one that won't just go forgotten. Problem is it takes a while to get the fire built and by the time you put the fan on it to get the proper temperature and air flow, most of the crap you're burning just goes poof and you have to start over lol. It's hella cool to fire up at night though.

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    I'm gonna use clickable thumbnails at least for right now, because my other pictures are irritating me with their in-your-face-ness.

    I haven't done anything incredibly interesting lately, but since I labored over this for a little while here's a peek into my nerd world.

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    "You can't catch me now, Viruses!"
    Consequently, I also can't get on Facebook because IE 5 and Netscape 4 apparently don't support XML, and it just tries to download the page instead of open it. Kinda wish I had thought that one through before spending the extra time to get the internet functional. But it's okay because I did this for "fun." I love old technology. And that's partly sarcasm and partly the truth. It's a pain in the ass, but a kick right in the nostalgia.

    And this (below) was another product of boredom and the idea that I could use an old Windows system to play old games instead of using DosBox. Theoretically it would be perfect, especially with features like drag and drop file exchange between host and guest, and the obvious benefit of running the games on the closest thing possible to what they're supposed to be running on. That is, if everything can be emulated as seamlessly as possible... It will be pointless if it lags all to hell like newer versions of Windows tend to do on virtual machines. I've had some problems with certain games under DosBox, specifically one of my old favorites Blake Stone. I haven't gotten around to actually testing the gaming theory, because I've been too caught up in screwing around.

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    That message during install cracked me up for some reason. And yes, that is Windows 98SE running at a resolution of 1366x768 with Firefox 2... Because I can. :)

    And Dave you were right in that other thread, I just spontaneously do things that strike my fancy when I get bored, and abandon them just as fast. I don't have the patience or attention span to do something like gardening. I'd be the guy out there yelling at the plants "Grow, damnit!" Nothing wrong with having a steady hobby but I enjoy being erratic.

    I kinda hate to ramble on, but screw it. I can't really ramble at people in person about this stuff because they look at me like I'm speaking Chinese or something. No one here is forced to read it and I still get the satisfaction of having said it, lol. But as much as I'd like to continue rambling about crap no one but me cares about, I'm gonna jump in the shower. A friend of mine is trying to get me a job with her at a car dealership and she just asked me to come fill out an application. I'm hoping that means "this is just a formality, and if you show up you get the job"... Seriously though she's trying to get me an interview on the spot, so I hope it goes well, I kind of need this.
     

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