Poll: Trump or Clinton

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The Gates of Horn and Ivory

Two Gates the silent House of Sleep adorn; Of polish'd Iv'ry this, that of transparent Horn:
True Visions thro' transparent Horn arise; Thro' polish'd Iv'ry pass deluding Lies.

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Trump? Clinton? No one?

  1. I am voting for Trump

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. I am voting for Hillary

    4 vote(s)
    66.7%
  3. I am voting Independent

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. I am not going to vote

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. I am undecided

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Other (not from US or other - explain below)

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Well let's see how we here at H&I are feeling about the current political situation. So for the ~3 people who come here, haha, if you want to stay anonymous just vote but don't reply. If you want to discuss feel free.

    If you do discuss, please mention your sources. :)
     
  2. Crazy Dave Number 23

    Crazy Dave Number 23 Methodless Madness Staff Member

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    Probably voting Green. The uncertainty lies in being able to get to my polling station.
     
  3. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Green? That is Jill Stein.

    I am not for third-party votes in this particular election. I am voting for Hillary Clinton not because I agree with everything she has done or with all of her policies, but I can tolerate the majority of what she represents. I think the US would be ok with her at the helm. But I don't think Trump is fit to run the country. So I personally need to cast my vote in the direction of a reasonable candidate who can beat him and whose policies I prefer.
     
  4. Crazy Dave Number 23

    Crazy Dave Number 23 Methodless Madness Staff Member

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    I agree with your opinions of Trump and Clinton.
     
  5. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    I'm uncertain what to say. Do you think your vote will be meaningful? It might to you, so I would like to know.
     
  6. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    Not so much meaningful as comforting. I feel like Hil has this one in the bag, so I can safely vote for who I want. Most elections I have voted out of fear of the Republican candidate.
     
  7. Entervixen

    Entervixen Well-Known Member

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    I'm voting for Hillary because Trump scares me.
     
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  8. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Yes, this. I completely agree with you.

    I'm too afraid of him becoming president to vote any other way. I am not complacent about it either, I am going to volunteer for her campaign.


    Dave you should at least think about the fact that Florida is a swing state and things may come down your your vote. You could have a very important role to play in choosing who is the next president.
     
  9. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    Even though I much prefer the Green platform, I really dislike personal decisions Dr. Stein has chosen to support. From one perspective, it's pandering, sure. And I do greatly appreciate the effort at trying to engage the disaffected youth. Ultimately though, I don't think she is...(I can't think of the right word, but:) cooperative/reasonable/consensus-minded enough to hold the office of president. There is a level of discretion that she is failing to publicly exude. So I will Clinton if I can.
     
  10. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Well I agree with you 100%. :)

    I'm worried about the debates tonight. I hope all goes well. :sweatdrop:
     
  11. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    I didn't watch, but I read most of the transcript later. He came off as an oaf, as usual.
     
  12. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Yeah, he pooped out halfway through and was essentially incoherent thereafter. She won, however, she cannot become complacent. This debate win does not seem to have swayed many of the bread and butter white folk who are behind him. It is mind-boggling to me that he is even considered a potential leader of this country by some people when he is obviously a con artist and not fit for the presidential office. I heard him say yesterday, and I am paraphrasing, that he would bring forth a new government. That is truly scary verbiage.
     
  13. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    Unfortunately, I have one close friend who supports Trump. She argues that Clinton is corrupt and untrustworthy to such a degree that she would be a worse person in office. Even if she really were as horrible as the worst conservative pundits claim, she still would be a far better person for the job, as far as I am concerned. And I consider it common knowledge that most of the tales leveled against her are utter baloney. I really cannot understand how these minds are working. Beyond the usual left vs right. Most people I know were Sanders supporters. And 80% of them now back Clinton. Some people seem to feel that punishing the DNC for not letting Bernie through will somehow be good for this country. I wish they understood that the DNC works the way it does, so that it supports candidates who will beat the Republican nominee.
     
  14. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    I was honestly surprised when it came to my attention how many women don't like Hillary. They actually hate her. They are haters without knowing their own true motivations for the hate that consumes them to such a degree they think that HRC would be a worse person than Trump for president. I think too they are women who were excited by Bernie Sanders and got all rah rah and learned some of the Hate for HRC from things he said. Now they feel betrayed by Bernie, they feel the system that rejected him is corrupt and they then associate this corruptness with her. I truly think it is the old "a woman scorned..." thing. Any woman reading this who hates Hillary must seek the motivation of that unfounded hate. But it is multifactorial and embedded in their psyche so difficult to eradicate. Even REASON does not work. Why?

    Well...these people do not have insight. They refuse to believe the facts, they refuse to be objective, they refuse to see Trunp's failings as DANGEROUS to this country!

    Even if they cannot get over their hate of Hillary, the least they can do is admit it would be better to have her at the nuclear controls than him. :kill::sick:
     
  15. Entervixen

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    I don't like Hillary simply because with her in office it will be four more years of the status quo. But I don't hate her. And I'm definitely voting for her, because every vote counts in this election and I don't want Trump in office.
     
  16. Umaeril

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    I think there is a huge difference between not liking her and HAAAATING her. :) And I applaud your reason and decision.

    This new entanglement of Trump's where he is scornful of women is all the more reason to back away from him if anyone was close. Sure would be nice to have someone legitimately upset the status quo, but I would want to see viable programs and incentives and policy not this rehashed Republican hyperbole. Furthermore, this reliance on a racist fragment of society (even if it is a large segment) is very telling. I am not white so I would be very careful of anything that smacks of hate-thinking and I think Trump is a hate racist.
     
  17. Crazy Dave Number 23

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    The fact that Republicans pander to this at all sickens me worse than what I think of their policy and philosophy. It goes so far that I have to question whether every conservative I meet is a bigot.
     
  18. Entervixen

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    I'm only a quarter Filipino but I've learned, the hard way, that when race is an issue I'm not nearly white enough. So all the hate filled rhetoric is deeply disturbing.

    Dave: my Gramma is a conservative but it's more for their spending policies and things line that. When it comes to social matters she is far more liberal than you'd expect for a republican. I mean she knows I'm bi and my cousin is gay, and has always been fine with that. And she's obviously not racist, my grandpa was Filipino, and they only divorced because he wanted it.
     
  19. Entervixen

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    But yeah generally I expect the same thing from conservatives.
     
  20. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    I am truly shocked at the people who are supporting Trump, truly shocked and dismayed. And I am also on the other hand disappointed with the way Clinton's emails are playing out (wikileaks) but that all has to be verified. Nevertheless, it is disturbing. The fact of the matter for me is that Clinton remains the best choice no matter the emails or Benghazi or other actions, or the fact she is a "career politician" because clearly Trump is a menace to society and our democracy. Why don't the people who support him try reading other new sources and also some scientific writing on the climate changes? Why don't they take the time to investigate the different policies the candidates are advocating? I am not sure Trump supporters really compare the tax plans. It's really disturbing to know that so many people, what...60 million (!)...are uneducated on the fundamentals of the policies being offered so they can make an educated choice.

    I wonder if a lot of them maybe come from the left side of the IQ bell curve. I am sorry to say that but it could be true. It is known from polls that US adults are less-informed than other adults. I hesitate to say "stupid" but I think maybe they are not as intelligent. Or they lack intellectual curiosity which is worse, that is just being a lazy thinker.
     

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