Thoughts on the World Situation

Discussion in 'Metropolis' started by Umaeril, Apr 9, 2018.


The Gates of Horn and Ivory

Two Gates the silent House of Sleep adorn; Of polish'd Iv'ry this, that of transparent Horn:
True Visions thro' transparent Horn arise; Thro' polish'd Iv'ry pass deluding Lies.

  1. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    I think we are in the midst of WW3 or equivalent in whatever words you want to use. It may not be called that eventually, in the future, or maybe it will be called The Cyber Wars or The War of the Billionaires. It could have many names actually depending on one's perspective. But we are right in the midst of it, it is happening right before our eyes. And the outcome is not at all assured as of this moment in time.

    First, I think the global situation is very very complex. There are so many players and so many connections of so many different varieties that it must be really difficult to grasp all of it and I don't think it can be grasped by one person, it needs many persons and computers.

    I thought this was a good paper on the idea of networked control: The Network of Global Corporate Control, 2011, if there is any interest (the article has some math waaaaay over my head).

    Otherwise, I have just picked up my ideas from observation of the news and reading things. I think that essentially there are men and women of great wealth who like to control things. I also think there are corporate boards of directors who have an agenda. And I think there are financial institutions who may like to manuver things so they are favorable to them. Additionally, I think there are persons like politicians or celebrities or whoever likes to be in power or persons who crave great wealth who can easily be manipulated by persons or governments with a good profile of them. And of course there is the internet, the cyber aspect. There are huge disinformation farms, and there is little regulation or quick defenses. There is a culture of non-transparancy and step-wise incremental release of information. There is more of course affecting every aspect of human life.

    Second, I am American, and there is a very complex situation going on here at the same time with our leaders and with Russian interference in our election of 2016 and with disinformation and people believing fake conspiracy theories. We are in huge trouble without paper ballots since the voting machines are mostly owned by a Christian group with a really bad agenda and they are hackable those voting machines. Sigh.

    Third, there are complex situations happening in many countries, maybe most of them, maybe similar stuff that is happening here.

    My point is that it is all connected and that the bad persons involved at the very top levels are not doing things in the best interest of the welfare of you or I and this is a war we are in and we better wise up and rise up against this.

    Thank you for reading. Feel free to share your thoughts or post an appropriate emoji instead. :tongue:
     
  2. 21007

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    I think I'm too tired to tackle this with clarity right now, but I'll give it a shot anyway and ramble on about stuff. If only to give you some entertainment.

    I'm actually going to have to disagree with you on the notion that there is very little regulation when it comes to the Internet. Alphabet Inc and a couple of other large corporations control over 90% of all Internet traffic that is related to the WWW. These corporations are in relatively snug control over spreading disinformation and have the ability to deprive you of most information they see as undesirable. Obviously the Internet by its nature being a fairly uncontrollable space, tons of stuff slips through the cracks, but the average person is probably going to be kept in a relatively safe bubble. If you want a good example of it in work, the net neutrality policy was heavily astroturfed by these corporations not long ago and to my knowledge they managed to get over 80% of Americans to support it, even though said regulation was only going to harm or not affect in any meaningful way the majority of people (it was a regulation for the benefit of certain large corporations and the government at the expense of some less large corporations and the evidence used to support its necessity was obtained through a false flag operation by Netflix). So like, the majority of people supported it but probably less than 1% of the population had any idea what it was about. That isn't to say the information about it wasn't out there, but by god was it hard to find people who actually knew anything about it.
    Lack of regulation? No. Regulation by entities that don't have your interests in mind and are in the propaganda business? Very much yes.

    When you think about that for a second, you'll quickly realize that paper ballots mean nothing. Voting machines, paper ballots, it doesn't matter. They will tell you who to vote for, and you will vote for that person because all of the information you're given will tell you that they are the best choice. Or, that's the general idea anyway. If you want my opinion, I think that they kind of dropped the ball by running a corpse against Donald Trump in the previous election, resulting in him getting onto the throne of the American Emperor. As flawed as he might be, I am fairly confident that he's not who these shadowy cabals wanted there. When all the propaganda media is dialed to 11/10 and has been working overtime 24/7 for a good year now, you can't help but wonder if something is going incredibly wrong for some of our corporate overlords.

    All of this is superfluous fluff in the end. The circuses part of "bread and circuses", if you will. Underneath the surface lurk the actual problems that very few people talk about. Like the collapsing pyramid scheme of the world economy. Many countries are already showing the effects of irresponsible economic policies, and there's going to be more of them as time goes by. Venezuela, Greece, Spain.. and then there is South Africa, which is heading toward a bloody civil war at this very moment.
    It's simple to blame evil people at the top of the pyramid for causing this global mess because then you'll have a clear enemy you can defeat, but I think that all of this is actually democracy made manifest. The enemy isn't just some people or corporations you can defeat, but the enemy is the electorate. Look at what people want to vote for: free college, free healthcare, free education, welfare, free hygiene products, clean water as a human right, healthcare as a human right, etc. It's all free stuff. Nobody ever stops to ask the question "who actually pays for this?". Well, why would you ask the question? It's free after all. Sadly, an understanding that does not correspond to reality.
    The scope of these issues is way over my head.
     
  3. Umaeril

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    I agree with your points, I had not really thought about things this way. But you are right about democracy made manifect and I think that your futher points about the way the electorate (and masses) feel they are entitled does pivot on that point. Depressing.
     
  4. 21007

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    I could be wrong about everything, the time I've been in this world is very short indeed and I'm perhaps not the smartest person around. I'm just glad that the information age has enabled a single individual like myself access to such a wealth of information that I am even able to make any kind of an informed estimate on the state of the world and human behaviour. Hundred years ago this conversation we are having would be reserved to the most elite of academics, because nobody else would realistically have access to all the information required to construct any kind of an informed opinion. Back then you had the propaganda machine telling you what to think and contrary information was hidden from sight. Burn the books and change reality.

    These days the propaganda machine is still there, but information that runs contrary to it is still readily available whether it's true or not. Obviously some countries, like Canada and UK to name a few in particular, are trying to establish legislation that can get you jailed for as much as looking at information that does not adhere to the accepted standard but I'm not sure how successful they'll be at that. I'm going to estimate "not very". US is trying to regulate Internet too, with varying degrees of success. SOPA failed, Net Neutrality failed, FOSTA succeeded to name a few attempts.
     
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  5. Umaeril

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    We really are in an exceptional age, compared to the past. And maybe you are wrong about things, or not, idk. I find it difficult to form opinions on a lot of things due to not even knowing they exist. Like international finance, for example. It is just one more thing I don't know about and too complex possibly unless you go to school to study it.

    I just hope that things work out alright. I suppose it really does not matter to me personally since I will not be here as the earth struggles with events in the future. I could go futher and say "the universe" I suppose.
     
  6. 21007

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    I'm not quite sure a school will really teach you anything with the way education is going these days. It seems to me that educational institutions are being turned into little more than indoctrination and propaganda camps than a place for obtaining knowledge. Or if I'm being generous, being turned into daycare for overgrown children. I see way too often that people in higher education in particular say "this offends me, it must not be presented on campus" in response to diverging opinions. It's a total perversion of the whole concept of education. You're supposed to be exposed to ideas you find offensive.
    And then there is the study plans from high school and the like, my God is that stuff boring. I feel so sorry for children who are exposed to the kind of drivel that the primary education system is, where you're essentially memorizing garbage and regurgitating it later. Suffice to say I have a very dim view of the situation education is in. Particularly US education, but it's not amazing anywhere else either. I will admit that my view is perhaps more dim than reality, but the problems are real.

    While I don't know if things will work out, I do think that you can be happy as long as you don't construct yourself a false reality bubble where everything is fine. The dissonance between reality and your perception of reality is what gets you.
     
  7. Umaeril

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    Haha you are really depressing to read sometimes. :laugh: Don't get me wrong, I am glad you say the things you say, but you are extremely pragmatic about the actual state of reality here on this planet. You make good points though, about education and indoctrination and propaganda, exposure to differing opinions. Your view may be dim but I think there is good cause for that dimness. Beyond what you have said about education and propaganda and so forth is the sad fact that there are people who have really bad lives. And then we all die. What is the good of that? I cannot find much good in humans, or any good for that matter. Sure some try to do the right thing (whatever that is, personally I think not breeding is just about the "highest good" there is, jmo), but the rest just reproduce and there we are, overrun with humans. I am working myself into a state where I just don't care. But it is really too bad because the earth and the other animals don't deserve to have to live alongside us. Sigh. Now I am grumpy about it all. :laugh:
     
  8. 21007

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    I can be a bit depressing sometimes, but I can't take all the blame this time around - you did want to talk about the most depressing subject after all.

    Also I don't think "not breeding" qualifies as the highest good. Or good at all for that matter. How can something that results the extinction of a species be a moral good? It's not that simple. The whole world overrun by humans phenomenon is not natural, it's artificially created for reasons I am not going to pretend to understand. So what's going on is that first world governments and certain rich individuals are transferring resources in the form of "foreign aid" to impoverished nations in Africa, at the same time the governments are also transferring resources from those who are productive to those who are not in the form of welfare - what this results in is high degree of reproduction by people who are poor (and sometimes also dumb) and diminished reproduction among people who are intelligent and well off but not extremely rich (middle class basically, because they can't keep their desired standard of living while also having many children due to high taxation). And outright explosive population growth in Africa, probably unsustainable growth.
    On the surface it looks like the whole thing is caused by people trying to be kind to others, but I'm kinda skeptical. I like to attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

    Anyway, I don't think you need to ponder over what animals deserve or don't. Fact of the matter is, most of them would gladly bite your face off if they could without a second thought. Put them in our place, and they are just as stupid as we are. It's not like humans are doing anything out of the ordinary for animals.

    Speaking of bad lives, I used to have a really bad life was a teenager. Not bad as in I was literally starving, but bad by first world standards. I was homeless for a while, got constantly bullied in school, was diagnosed with incurable illness and such. It wasn't great - but I was able to improve my life a lot when I was an adult and made decisions for myself. So even if your life is shit, there is no benefit in wallowing in it. When you are in charge of your life and make all the decisions, you can improve it. It's just something you have to want. People who don't improve their own lives and die miserable, well, that's on them. I, for one, am glad that I'm still alive.
     
  9. Umaeril

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    You have probably heard something about "universal pay"? This is a new concept to me this week actually, I did not know there was a proposal or idea to pay everyone (I have no idea if this is for my country or what as I did not actually read the article). But it seems from the heading and opening that the idea is that every single person would have at least enough "universal pay" for food, clothes and shelter, I think that is what it said. Now I do not pretend to know anything about economics, but doesn't that idea seem perfect for creating a controllable sized pool of human "resources"? Especially if you could control their reproduction. I am not into welfare very much...but not because I have high ideals or anything. Can elaborate if wanted.

    I am glad you are still alive too. My world is better for having you intermittently in it, not flattery...you poke me to think. Heh, and I am fond of you. And glad you are enjoying life because you should. :)
     
  10. 21007

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    The exact thing you have in mind is probably UBI, Universal Basic Income. It was experimented with in Finland (failed). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/opinion/universal-basic-income-finland.html
    Of course the talking heads are attributing the failure to the failure of the administration as you can see from the article I linked, but I'm not convinced.
    The more I think about it, the less I personally see how it could work without a oppressive socialist system similar to that of Soviet Union of the 1930s and 1940s backing it up. Any system where you get something for nothing ends up being abused without proper oversight, and proper oversight is impossible if you are given freedom. A prison works, but remove the guards and the gates and it will stop working. Personally I am in favour of freedom, I want to maximize freedom so anything that requires an oppressive state doesn't work for me.

    Let me tell ya one thing that is for sure: you can't feel bad for not knowing anything about economics because the economic system is infinitely complex and based on lies and mythology. Anything from fairly simple statistics like unemployment to more complex ones like GDP actually mean nothing because you can freely manipulate them to show whatever you want.

    I like you too by the way, which is why I show up after all these years despite not having a whole lot to say.
     
  11. Liv

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    My friend and coworker frequently and casually brings up Trump and whatever debacle he's up to during lunch, whereas I tend to try and avoid reading too many news while still saying informed. Though I'll agree with Mio that the big players we see in the media are really just the tip of the iceberg and that the greatest lie we've been told as citizens is that our choices when it comes to elections and greenhouse gas emissions etc. really have an impact, compared to who's sitting on all the wealth and pulling the strings.
    So I've made it a mission to not despair in spite of this (and not have kids lmao because yikes at what the future holds) Like even if all political leaders were sympathetic people, there's still oppressive systems in place that enables them to gain more power, and money, or worse yet, remain a distraction while shxt happens behind the scenes, still, as long as we've got oligarchy and people like the Amazon CEO hoarding such mass amounts of wealth while people working for his company are on food stamps.

    Run-on sentences ftw.
    But it's not gonna stop me from stopping and smelling the flowers or enjoying puppy pictures. I didn't ask to be put here, but I was still 'lucky' in that I was born in a very wealthy country with social safety nets, so I will try to make the best of it. And pet more cats. And try to have a positive impact on the people around me, especially kids. Like, I don't want kids but I want to make the future a little bit better for the kids that are already here, and those who will come. (Though personally due to overpopulation I think at this point having kids is really just an illogical, selfish act, but hey that's another talk).
     
  12. 21007

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    Hi Ditte, it's good to see you're not 6 feet under.
    Not to imply I thought you were, but once you lose any way to contact someone on the Internet there's little distinction, really.

    I have to say, I find it rather distasteful how many people are seemingly obsessed with Trump failing. Pointing out things that he does wrong is one thing, but what I see more often is people actively seeking out ways to make it seem like whatever he does is a failure. It's like they want him to fail, which makes very little sense. You'd think that everyone wants him to do good, so that maybe at least some people can have their life improved as a result, but perhaps that's just me.
    He ain't even doing much anyway - to me it appears his hands are tied in everything but diplomacy . So the conversation would be like "What's Trump doing?" "Talking to people" "What's the rest of the government doing?" "passing laws to fuck you and particularly your kids". At least they can blame it on Trump I guess, so good on them.

    I think I probably have a lot to say about having children and overpopulation, but I ain't got the time to write it all down right now. Pretty sure Uma professed that opinion before, but I never went in depth on it.
     

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