~Ye Olde Pointless Poll anno domini 2019~

Discussion in 'Metropolis' started by Umaeril, Mar 28, 2019.


The Gates of Horn and Ivory

Two Gates the silent House of Sleep adorn; Of polish'd Iv'ry this, that of transparent Horn:
True Visions thro' transparent Horn arise; Thro' polish'd Iv'ry pass deluding Lies.

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Which is your fave rodent?

  1. Chipmunk

    3 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Rat

    2 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. Mouse

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Squirrel

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. Guinea pig

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Hamster

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Prairie dog

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    0.0%
  8. Gerbil

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    0.0%
  1. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    I don't expect we'll get many replies but it is time for a pointless poll! I have not done one in a considerable amount of time. :eek1:

    1. What odd/weird swear phrase(s) did you ever hear or pick up for use? :happy:

    2. What would you like to be doing right now? :boots:

    3. What were you doing up so late, huh? :nono:

    4. Is there any line of poetry or phrase or proverb or a saying that you find to be true and useful in life? Please share, I need it. :laugh:


    Leave ye answers, feel free to comment on them or others, feel free to :spam:, it is not just a poll, it is the opening movement of a symphony of discourse. :sun_smiley:
     
  2. Chris

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    1.) Gobshite. 'tis a beautiful word :D

    2.) At this point in time? Practically anything.

    3.) There's no fun answer to that one, sadly. We've talked a fair bit about the circumstances going on with me and my family at the moment, so I'm sure you can fill in the blanks here.

    4.) "Without music, life would be a mistake." Nietzsche
     
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  3. Pokemonmaster250

    Pokemonmaster250 I don't need a map of my dreams.

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    1. What odd/weird swear phrase(s) did you ever hear or pick up for use? :happy:
    Crotch Goblins

    2. What would you like to be doing right now? :boots:
    ...Well besides sleeping- I am not sure I should type that(nothing innapropriate but if i type it i might think about it and I cannot do anything about the first thing that came to mind).......

    3. What were you doing up so late, huh? :nono:
    Looking up questions, and debating on wether i actually ask them when it's a decent hour or if I should leave well enough alone. lol Too much obsessing over things that i shouldn't, but 'tis human I suppose...

    4. Is there any line of poetry or phrase or proverb or a saying that you find to be true and useful in life? Please share, I need it. :laugh:
    I can't think of anything right now, but maybe when it's a normal, and my mind is hopefully not obsessing I can come up with something.

    Man- I sure got it bad. Heh... Weird, but true.
     
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  4. Entervixen

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    1) ass in a hat (I love that one lol)

    2) eh. I dunno. Don't really want to do anything.

    3) last time? Combination of taking my meds late and the monumental amount of bullshit I've been shoveling

    4) life is short, life is shit, and soon it will be over (Braincandy ftw)
     
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  5. Umaeril

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    Haha gobshite, lol, that is so UK. I wonder what kind of music Nietzche liked and also if he heard modern metal would he revise his statement on music. :happy:
     
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  6. Umaeril

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    Wow "Crotch Goblins" never heard of that! That is excellent. And yes, obsessing is human, but you seem to be aware of what you are doing and have some insight about it, so that is very helpful.
     
  7. Umaeril

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    Can't say I ever heard of that cuss before! Wow I am learning a lot, hehe. The item 4 answer is pessimistic but true for the majority of humans which is sad and seems unfair.
     
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  8. Umaeril

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    1. What odd/weird swear phrase(s) did you ever hear or pick up for use? :happy:

    Cotton-pickin', chicken pluckin', egg laying! This one has stuck with me all my life, lol.

    2. What would you like to be doing right now? :boots:
    Studying physics, or Greek. Or math. All 3! These are my current self-study items.

    3. What were you doing up so late, huh? :nono:
    I was only up for a half hour late, lol. But I am reading a book about Faraday and Maxwell, very famous physicists in the area of electromagnetism.

    4. Is there any line of poetry or phrase or proverb or a saying that you find to be true and useful in life? Please share, I need it. :laugh:
    I learned and to this day remember the Fear Litany from Dune, by Frank Herbert:

    "Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I must not fear. I will permit the fear pass over me and through me. When the fear has passed there will be nothing left. Only I will remain."
     
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  9. Entervixen

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    Yeah I've been pretty pessimistic lately, moreso than usual. Life has just sucked in a bad way for a while now. Like I finally got a proper pain diagnoses, but had to stop treatment due to losing my health insurance. In 90ish days I should be getting it back, but man.

    And that's just health insurance/pain. I've got enough insulin, I just have to ask my pdoc if she can do a 90 day supply of my head meds. One is dirt cheap, but the other is over a grand. And the one pain med I have can cause seizures if stopped suddenly, so I have to figure that out as well. But at least I've got insulin.

    That's also not counting issues with the cats, or repairs on the house, or therapy, or the other medical issues on hold now, issues with bug, with my dad's side of the family, with just everything. It's so bad I'm claiming victory for even still being here and a usually not terrible person.

    It will pass. I know this. It just... it doesn't feel like it.
     
  10. Entervixen

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    Oh another food answer to four us, "I don't care what you do, just don't do it in my living room." Lol that's my favorite line from Kids in the Hall. The other one is from their movie Brain Candy, which I really like. They're not advocating for people to not take head meds, so much as they're meant for the people who need them.
     
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  11. Umaeril

    Umaeril -o-}}}X{{{-o- Staff Member

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    Life is oddly painful, I don't understand why so few are lucky and so many struggle. I hope it all works out for you!
     
  12. 21007

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    1. What odd/weird swear phrase(s) did you ever hear or pick up for use? :happy:
    So. I don't really swear, but there is a word that sounds like a swear (an assessment which the author of the book where I found it in agrees with) that I picked up some 20 years ago and still remember to this day "polundra". Technically what it originally meant was "watch out, a burning log is about to fall on top of your head" and intended for firemen but they didn't really like it. What ended up happening instead was the Imperial Russian navy and later on the Soviet navy took over the word instead. Because burning logs weren't a common thing on ships, they changed it to mean a general warning shout for any type of immediate danger. The Soviet naval infantry also supposedly yelled that while charging German troops during WWII.
    It's also allegedly a sexual position but that sounds pretty far out there and I'd rather not go into describing what it's supposed to look like. It involves a belt.

    2. What would you like to be doing right now? :boots:
    Playing some video game or watching anime, but I'm not feeling it, and that's why I'm here.

    3. What were you doing up so late, huh? :nono:
    I sleep during the day.

    4. Is there any line of poetry or phrase or proverb or a saying that you find to be true and useful in life? Please share, I need it. :laugh:
    I'm not sure I would call it any of that, but "Impotent hatred is the most horrible of all emotions; one should hate nobody whom one cannot destroy.".
    It's a quote attributed to Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe. I have no idea if he actually said that, but the moment I saw it for the first time, I had a think about it and I can't help but find myself in agreement.
     
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  13. Umaeril

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    Polundrrrrra (rolls the r's). Or is it a sad gray cloud of a word - poh-lun-drah? It is not an enthusiastic sounding word, polundra. It does sound a bit like a swear word.

    You still play games? I gave up my one game, ArcheAge, this year. I got tired of it, but it was a very pretty game and sometimes I miss wandering in it.

    Nocturnal. I once wrote a story about some humans who had gone to another planet and then over generations they split into 2 types, where some of the population were "nocturns" and some were "diurns". The nocturns were infrequent and had to avoid the sun, but in return they were able to see the flow of life in all things and manipulate it. The diurns were like ordinary people. In the story a set of twins were born, a boy who was a diurn and a girl who was a nocturn, which had never happened before. But I never got far in the story.

    Your (possible) Goethe quote sounds like a clever epigram on the one hand, but also like one of those harsh and eminently practical truisms on the other hand. I actually think it is a rather inspiring quote. Perhaps we are similar in that we have little regard for humanity at large which is why this quote is appealing? I am looking forward to the upcoming demise of humans due entirely to their folly in over-breeding and ruining the planet.
     
  14. 21007

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    The word is spelled полундра, type that into google translate and press the sound button on the Russian side. It should sound about right I reckon. Ultimately I'm not a seaman you see, I never had anyone yell that at me.

    I play some games. Mostly autistic games where I build something, because they are relaxing. Nothing like MMOs or multiplayer games in general. Not that I object to them or anything, just don't particularly care. Lately I've been playing Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic, because who doesn't wanna be a socialist dictator.

    I don't think anyone is going to happen to humanity as a whole by, the way.
    As for why I find that quote appealing, I have come to realize that it doesn't matter how bad someone is or what they do or have done. If you cannot destroy them, hating them is not going to help you. On the other hand if you can destroy them, hatred is perhaps warranted because you can do something about it. You're not just seething and wasting your energy focusing on something that you can do nothing about.
     
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  15. Umaeril

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    Autistic games, never knew there were autistic games. Most of my family has Asperger's, (autism spectrum disorder), probably my mom, me and my brother mildly for sure, but my brother's daughter has it strongly (her mom is on the spectrum too). My niece is very smart, but starting at about 1 year old it was noted she was very socially inappropriate. Growing up she would say rude things to everyone, she has sort of caught the knack of "acting nice" over time, but it is an act, it is not a natural inclination because every week she'll say something hurtful. So, sorry to ramble on, but perhaps you are interested...skip if not...genetically, my family demonstrates high heritability and I am wondering if it will be even worse for succeeding generations. I bring this up because my niece married a man and my bro (he's a physician) says this guy is way on the spectrum. They have two kids, 1 and 3, I have not met. I'll be interested in their social development as we are going to move near to all my family in a couple months. Ok that is the end of my introspection though I will say it is a very interesting topic.

    Autism is so diverse and has so many associated genes involved, I have to wonder if almost all of humanity is somewhere on the spectrum. There is a good article with some charts (Clinical Genetic Aspects of ASD Spectrum Disorders) and it mentions the dysmorphic aspects of some gene or chromosomal expressions of autism (Table 3). That type of autism just seem different to me and like they should be in their own category, and there should be a different category for no outward dysmorphic features like Aspergers. I don't know how the genes or proteins differ or overlap, so who knows? Not me. But there are a lot of Aspergers out there for sure, could be every member of this board has it in some way.

    tl;dr
    1. My family appears to be genetically inclined to ASD.
    2. ASD is diverse, but it seems to me that the ones with physical appearance or function abnormalities (e.g. dysmorphic facial features or epilepsy) are not the same as the milder Aspergers which appears to me to be very common.
     
  16. Umaeril

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    On humanity.

    I'd like to know why you don't think anything will happen to humanity as a whole?

    Perhaps by "as a whole" you might think I meant that all of humanity would die, but I think that many humans will survive the bad times coming. I don't know how many. But I think 250 million humans on the earth is enough humans. The other animals, reptiles, insects, flying creatures and the plant and ocean life need room to breath too, its their planet as much as it is ours but we're killing them all; we need to share resources responsibly and right now we are not.

    Due to increasing human heat-trapping emissions, and due to the fact that over half the global human population lives in urban centers, I speculate that the culling of humanity will begin during the next 20 years and come in waves. So maybe during those 2 decades we might see mass deaths of about a billion people from different reasons. Some will die of hunger, disease or injury and many will not be able to obtain potable water. This culling will affect all ages which means it will get women of reproductive age too, thus also reducing the population. People will still be reproducing in temperate regions where water is available but not greater than the deaths occurring which will continue in waves over the subsequent decades due to political regional sequestration of resources. Countries will become fortresses. As the temp goes up the streams and waterways have less water, fish and wildlife are not sustained, the list of consequences goes on and on, and the weakest, and the ones confined to particular non-sustainable areas, will die.

    The movement of humans has started already, there are over 70 million humans on the move right now worldwide, questing for livable conditions.

    I think humans will survive, we are smart, resilient and adaptable.. Maybe. Or will the consequences of our plastic footprint, which covers the earth like ash from a catastrophic volcano, added to our heat-trapping emissions be to future archeologists (of whatever species, maybe inscectoid?) evidence of the reason for the mass extinction of humans?
     
  17. 21007

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    I don't think anything is going to happen because of the technological level of humanity is high enough to prevent total destruction outside of completely unprecedented factors like the planet being destroyed, and even then it's not 100% certain that humanity will be wiped out. It's a matter of how fast it happens, how long is the warning period, how fast is the deterioration of conditions?

    Also as far as famine and such go, the reason human population is still growing explosively is because USA and particularly Europe are heavily overproducing food, that's not gonna change any time soon. A lot of that food is also produced in climate controlled greenhouses which are not affected by weather conditions. Europe ships a portion of that food, frozen chicken that's deemed too low quality for local consumption for example, to Africa and destroys the local economies for that type of product, so they have plenty of food over there and not much to do because they can't compete with the garbage that Europe ships over. You might think.. well wait a second, why are the Africans reproducing but not the Europeans despite both having plenty of surplus as far as food goes, not much to do because of high unemployment and so on? The answer is education. The #1 cause for low birth rates is education, particularly the education of women. When people are not educated, birth rates are high because they aren't wasting their most fertile years pursuing education. If you wanna curb birth rates, promote education. Sucker people into wasting their time on learning some bullshit degree in an university. Birth rates gonna drop like a rock.

    The movement of humans has started already, there are over 70 million humans on the move right now worldwide, questing for livable conditions.

    I'd say that's inaccurate. Better conditions, not livable. If they were looking for livable conditions, they wouldn't be looking because they'd be dead. Most human movement that I know of, unless I'm missing something, is economic migration seeking better economic conditions. Primarily from Africa to Europe. The problem is, this is very short sighted because Europe is going to collapse financially and once that happens the economic conditions there are not gonna be better than wherever these people came from. Hell, a lot of Europe is already nasty as far as "livability" goes. You couldn't pay me to live in Paris. No amount of money would convince me to move there. Or London.
     
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    Hi, yes your comments have merit as always and are very interesting. Of course I really don't know what will happen, I have my thoughts like anyone does, speculated from what I read. What I read is tainted by misinformation or dubious research methods or suppression of information by countries, no doubt, etc etc. Not to mention the entire overwhelming complexity of the situation. It is most certainly true that people are on the move as you say for economic/better condition reasons, people have always been on the move for those reason; there are more people now so more people are trying to relocate. But I was not speaking of them. I'm talking about mass movement based on drought, high temperatures that affect ability to grow crops, and egress from low lying areas of water inundation. I cannot recall where I read the estimated 70 million currently on the move, but I think it was south Asia based. The recent World Bank study puts mass migration at a possible 143 million persons in the next couple decades unless steps are taken. There are many pessimistic studies and actually I don't know of any optimistic studies. Yet you are right to bring up technology as a possible deterrent to outright destruction of all human habitats. Sure, many people will survive, I think I said that above. I hope the bees survive and more animals though, but I guess we can make fake food, being as we are so technologically advanced. The fact is that no matter what, we cannot go on as we are, breeding indiscriminately and killing all the animals and deforesting the land, suffering the heat emissions of an ignorant populace who burn and rape the land and who will eventually finish the grand effort of covering the planet in plastic disposable water bottles.
     
  19. 21007

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    We can't stop the degradation of environment and animal habitat either, though. That's really the problem. Every country in the world, specially the western ones are consuming on debt spending. Our consumption isn't within our means, our consumption is head and shoulders above what we can even afford at maximum productivity. USA for example is over 120 trillion dollars in debt if you count unfunded liabilities. All that money is going toward an increased consumption of resources which in turn results in increased population, particularly in the third world and Asia where the majority of the economic activity is directed and increased pollution because the resources consumed need to be processed into usable goods in factories and it all takes energy. Doesn't help that nuclear energy is on the way out and coal is on the way back in. At the end of the day, people aren't gonna say "nah, I won't buy the latest iPhone because Apple is one of the biggest creators of e-waste on the planet". They'll say "Wow the latest iphone, I can't wait to throw away my old one".

    I mean practically every solution that is ever proposed to a problem that currently exists involves more consumption. Take for example the poor access to healthcare for people who are less affluent. The proposed solution is socialized """""free""""" healthcare, right? But that's literally increased consumption and potentially increased life expectancy which also translates directly to increased consumption. Or take for example the whole migration thing. The solution is to allow migrants into western countries and to take care of them, but that directly translates to more consumption. An example person living in middle east consumes about 10 times less resources than they would if they lived in a western nation, and I'm being pretty conservative here. I'm pretty sure per capita consumption in the west is more than 10 times higher. I can but shrug, I don't see a winning move here. Consumption is not going to be reduced until an economic collapse forces it.
     

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